October 22

 

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An Internet discussion on the October 22 March on Police Brutality where there was a police attack on demonstrators.

In part written and forwarded by Tom Louie

 

from October 23:

 

Some questions:

    How is a "peaceful" march consistent with chants of "Who let the pigs out?" and verbal violence directed towards cops?

    Did the rally organizers have any contingency plans for what to do in case of trouble?

    Were the security monitors trained in stopping trouble or defusing confrontations?

    Were there any plans for non-violent civil disobedience? Or were people counting on doing stuff without being arrested?

    Were there any clear instructions from the stage once the trouble began?

    How responsible is it for the stage emcees to be inciting confrontation in an already volatile situation?

    Did the majority of the marchers know about the plans to march all the way around Parker Center and "surround the cops"?

    At the end of the parade, some people tried to wave the approaching marchers towards a line of cops blocking off the street instead of towards the rally area. Later on they filtered through the crowd, trying to get protesters to surge back towards the same line of cops. Was that all part of

the plan?

    Who thinks it's fun to tease a dangerous animal instead of staying the hell away from it?

    Some of these questions aren't new. I also asked them at the planning meetings for the DNC anti-police brutality protest. I was answered with evasive replies, shrugged shoulders and buck-passing diatribes against the cops.

    RCP likes to avoid responsibility for safety by saying that "you never know what the cops are going to do." But isn't it possible to kind of predict how cops will react? Especially when you get in their face, shout at them, give them the finger and go where they say you can't go?

    My trouble predictor has usually been right. At least, it's been getting easier to predict trouble at RCP-dominated protests.

    After five years of working with coalitions and mainstream groups, it seems the RCP made the decision this year to go back to their old ways. Only now, instead of endangering other people's rallies like in the early 90's, they can use their newfound "respectability" to endanger everyone at their own rallies.

    I saw this coming. I've heard RCP activists excitedly discussing the need to fight back "if the cops attack on October 22" (an attack that never happened until this year).

    I also saw it coming right before this protest, when the e-mail listserves were full of denunciations of the LAPD for apparently going back on an oral agreement to extend the area of the march. On the morning of the march, I asked someone if the rally organizers were going to ask us to "re-take the streets." The nebulous answer I got was that there were families of victims as well as little children in the march, and so we would never intentionally put anyone in danger. BUT-here it comes again!-"You never know what the cops will do." Riiiiiight.

    Who the fuck was surprised when the shit started flying? I sure wasn't. It was a straight setup, all the way. RCP wanted this, they hoped for this, they planned this, they were secretly smirking when people started getting hurt, and today they are just tickled pink that there's a whole lot of

people nursing their bruises and nursing new grievances against the cops.

    Yesterday, an RCP friend (today an ex-friend) tried to imply that I was a coward for leaving just in time and encouraging others to leave. But a real coward is someone who uses the innocent as cannon fodder and then shifts the blame.

    Well, I've got some bad news, RCP-the masses aren't buying it. You were doing pretty good the last five years, but from this day forward you can expect a steady dwindling in participation and attendance at your events.

    BOYCOTT OCTOBER 22!!!

----Tom Louie

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from October 27:

 

            While I am generally pretty quick to criticize the RCP, your attack on them doesn't hold up.  The cops are not animals, they are people we should expect to act in a humane way, and they are accountable for their attack, not those whose free expression didn't have the tone you or the cops wanted.  You were right to leave if you felt like the group didn't reflect the same values as you, but even though I am not a RCP member, I for one, still resonated with that tone and participated.  I, also could see what was coming, and even though I was beaten (again) and had my wrist broken by cops, I do not regret having been there.  I put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the men with the guns and batons, not those who were victimized.

-----sean

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from October 27:

 

    Sean, I agree that cops are not animals, but rather human beings with free will and responsibility.

    The trouble is, RCP doesn't seem to recognize them as human. The O22 rallies have consistently adopted a very hateful tone which demonizes and dehumanizes the cops themselves, instead of criticizing the system which causes employees of the state to commit hateful acts. I have become increasingly uncomfortable with "Hate Cops Day," i.e. October 22.

Politically, what is this supposed to accomplish? If you view all cops as evil and brutal, it doesn't make sense to be taunting them at every opportunity, giving them the finger, etc. That's why I used the "dangerous animal" metaphor. Heck, to listen to the rhetoric of RCP/O22, you'd think

cops were all Orcs and Ringwraiths straight outta Mordor, and just as unworthy of any civility or kindness, and just as incapable of rehabilitation.

    I also think it is reprehensible to invite innocent people (including little children) to such a volatile rally and not make every arrangement for their safety. If you like to fight and shout, fine, but at least tell people that you're going to have a fighting and shouting rally and not try to hide

behind people who weren't expecting trouble.

    I also blame the cops, but not only the cops, for what happened. I think the taunts and insults had the effect of making them relish their bloody work. That's why they were laughing when they started their attack.     I support Ralph Cole and Cheyenne Guerra and Ben Ehrenreich, and I wish the best for the ACLU and Jim Lafferty if they decide to sue, but I cannot in good conscience support October 22.

    As for "blaming the victim," I wonder how many RCPers got their asses kicked that day? They've always been first to start something, first to run away and first to exploit the anger and grief of those who got hurt.

----Tom Louie

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from October 28:

 

            I too, don't regret having been there. I will  be at future O22 rallies. I think the burden does fall on the cops. I don't think in the current context, that the cops' humanity or sensitivities are all that important, because they are consciously operating as the first line of defense of a brutal, criminal system. I agree however that demonstrations should place the blame more squarely on that system. I agree that the RCP seeks to dominate and confine the politics of the movement against police brutality and abuse of power to suit their own organizational strategies and hierarchies. I agree that the RCP (and PLP as well) like to provoke confrontations in which others take the heat and they reap the rewards. I think people have the right to resist, to defend themselves; but I also think the RCP and O22 as a whole were remiss in not better organizing the rally at Parker Center to make it harder for the police to initiate violence - by keeping people together and moving, by maintaining a clear security presence that would have deterred the police and protected vulnerable members of the demonstration if and when the police attacked, and by having helped and encouraged people to form affinity groups in building for the march or on the line of march itself. Instead, the unity and cohesion of the demonstration deteriorated drastically as soon as we hit Parker Center. This was idiocy and irresponsibility on the part of the organizers if unintentional, or opportunism if intentional, because that was clearly the place at which the demonstration would be most vulnerable - in a confined area, isolated from the general public, on the cops' own turf and where the police had their strongest forces massed.

            By rights, O22/RCP should have had a clearly drawn up plan of proceeding, with a well-prepared team of security people - not to be peace police but to reflect and protect the unity of the protest participants as a whole. That plan should have been clearly communicated to everyone participating. If O22 wanted people to march around Parker Center, then the sound truck should have led the way, for example. Trying simultaneously to send people around the corner and to begin the rally was a recipe for disaster which invited the police to launch their attack. We are very lucky that there were not more casualties and arrests.

            I think it is essential for there to be an alternate mechanism to organize against the role police play in this racist, imperialist system besides O22. It is noteworthy that this demo was significantly smaller than either the O2 rally last year or the August 16 Coalition for Justice march during the DNC. Many people are being turned off to October 22, just like Tom is, though perhaps not as vocally. I think the predominant reason however is not the "tone" but the disconnect between the RCP's rhetoric and reality, the way in which the tone and the marching orders are handed down without political input or transformation, in short the RCP's hegemonic domination of O22 nationally and in locales in which it is in a position to do so.  But the alternative to the RCP cannot propose a pacifist approach to this problem.  In the context of a campaign for community control of the police, organized community self-defense against police violence needs to emerge.

-----Michael Novick